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Otto, Comte d’Ivois

Male 955 - 959  (4 years)


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  • Name Otto  
    Suffix Comte d’Ivois 
    Born 950/55 
    Gender Male 
    Died 2 Nov 958/59 
    Notes 
    • “OTTO, son of [ALBERT [I] Comte de Vermandois & his wife Gerberga [Hainaut]] ([950/55]-[986/87]). "Ottonem, Alberti Vermandensium comitis filium" is named in the Gesta Episcoporum Cameracensium. A list of members of the Cathedral of Paris liststs (in order) "Albertus comes, Girberga comitissa, Harbertus, Otto, Lewultus, Girbertus, Gondrada, Ricardus, Harbertus comes…", the first four individuals named apparently being Comte Albert, his wife and three sons, and the last named maybe his brother or nephew. Otto is named with his parents in a charter of Comte Adalbert dated 2 Nov [958/59]. There appears to be no direct proof that Otto, ancestor of the Comtes de Chiny, was the same person as Otto, son of Adalbert Comte de Vermandois. The Historia Monasterii Mosomense records that "Ottonem comitem" built "castellum…Warcus" (Warcq, Ardennes, in the comitatus Castritius) in 971, and suggests his affiliation when, in a later passage, it clarifies that "superius dictus Ottho erat comes, Otthonum…Romanorum imperatorum…germanissima progenies". The editor of the MGH SS edition of the Historia identifies Otto with the son of Adalbert Comte de Vermandois and Gerberge, daughter of Emperor Otto I's sister. A subsequent passage of the Historia dates the foundation of the monastery to 24 Jul 971, implying that the events recorded earlier in the text predated this foundation. If this is correct, 971 seems early for Otto de Vermandois to have constructed Warcq in light of his estimated birth date (which appears reasonably robust). It is assumed that Otto conquered Ivois around the same time as building the castle of Warcq, and installed himself as Comte d'Ivois. Gerbert, in a letter dated to Oct 986, records that "dux Cono pro suo Ottone insidias molitur". In the same letter, he also records that "Laudunensis episcopus" left "Dordingum" (Dourdon?) on the advice of "Ottonis et Heriberti" in support of "ducem" (which appears to refer to HHugues Capet). Settipani suggests that "Otto" in this text refers to the holder of Warcq. However, all other passages in Gerbert's letters which name "Ottonis et Heriberti" (in that order) appear to refer to Eudes I Comte de Blois and his firsrst cousin Héribert [V] Comte de Troyes. It is unclear from the full text of this letter whether "Ottone" and "Ottonis" relate to the same person. "Dux Cono" has not been identified, although it may refer to Konrad I Duke of Swabia. If this is correct, it is possible that the first "Ottone" is a different person from the second "Ottonis" as there is no other passage which links the Blois count to the Swabian duke. Settipani states that Otto died "between 986 and 987", without specifying the basis for this speculation.
      m ---. The name of Otto's wife is not known.
      Otto & his wife had one child:
      1. LOUIS [I] (-murdered 29 Sep 1025).”««s87»» [1]
    Person ID I15857  Lowell&Block
    Last Modified 12 May 2019 

    Father Adalbert I or Albert, Count of Vermandois,   b. 915,   d. 987  (Age 72 years) 
    Mother Gerberga 
    Family ID F4347  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Children 
    +1. Louis I, Comte de Chiny,   d. 29 Sep 1025
    Last Modified 12 May 2019 
    Family ID F5473  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Sources 
    1. [S87] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy., Foundation for Medieval Genealogy Trustees.