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Guillaume I “Talvas”, de Ponthieu, Comte de Ponthieu

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  • Name Guillaume I “Talvas”  
    Suffix de Ponthieu, Comte de Ponthieu 
    Gender Male 
    Died 30 Jun 1171 
    Notes 
    • “GUILLAUME [I] "Talvas" de Ponthieu, son of ROBERT de Montgommery "de Bellême" Sire d'Alençon, Comte de Ponthieu, Earl of Shrewsbury & his wife Agnès de Ponthieu (-30 Jun 1171). His parentage is given by Orderic Vitalis. He succeeded his father [4 Mar 1106/1110] as Comte de Ponthieu. Henry I King of England restored Comte Guillaume to his father's lands in Normandy in Jun 1119. He resigned Ponthieu in [1126] in favour of his son Guy. "Gulielmus comes Pontivorum" donated property tto the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "his predecessors earl Roger and Mabel his wife, count Guy and Adda his wife, his father Robert de Belesmo and his mother Agnes and…Ela his wife and of their sons two of them called Robert and two William and two Enguerrand and Mabel his daughter" by charter dated 1127. Robert of Torigny records that Henry II King of England granted "castrum Alenceium et Rocam Mabiriæ" to "Willermus Talavacius comes Sagiensis et filius eius Johannes et iterum Johannes nepos eius filius Guidonis primogeniti sui comitis Pontivi" in 1166. Robert of Torigny records the death in 1171 of "Guillermus Talavercius comes Pontivi" and the succession of "Johannes nepos suus…ex Guidone primogenitor suo". The Obituaire of Saint-Martin de Séez records the death 30 Jun of "Guillelmus Pontivorum comes".
      m ([1115]) as her second husband, HELIE de Bourgogne, widow of BERTRAND de Toulouse Count of Tripoli, daughter of EUDES I Duke of Burgundy [Capet] & his wife Sibylle de Bourgogne [Comté] ([1080]-28 Feb 1141). She is named by Orderic Vitalis, who also records her parentage, her two marriages and the names her eldest son by each marriage. "Gulielmus comes Pontivorum" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "…Ela his wife…" by charter dated 1127. "Guiido comes Pontivi" donated property to Cîteaux with the consent of "pater eius Willelmus comes…et mater eius Hela" by charter dated 18 Dec 1139. "Wido comes Pontivii" confirmed freedoms over his lands, with the consent of "patris mei Willermi et domine Ele matris mee, fratris mei Johannis et uxoris mee Ide et filii mei Johannis" by undated charter.
      Comte Guillaume [I] & his wife had twelve children:
      1. GUY [II] de Ponthieu (-Ephesus [25 Dec] 1147). His parentage is recorded by Orderic Vitalis. He succeeded before 1129 as Comte de Ponthieu.
      2. GUILLAUME de Ponthieu (-after 1166). "Gulielmus comes Pontivorum" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "Ela his wife and of their sons two of them called Robert and two William and two Enguerrand and Mabel his daughter" by charter dated 1127. Comte d'Alençon 1166.
      3. ROBERT de Ponthieu . "Gulielmus comes Pontivorum" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "Ela his wife and of their sons two of them called Robert and two William and two Enguerrand and Mabel his daughter" by charter dated 1127. 1127.
      4. ROBERT de Garennes (-1171 or after). "Gulielmus comes Pontivorum" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "Ela his wife and of their sons two of them called Robert and two William and two Enguerrand and Mabel his daughter" by charter dated 1127. Monk before 1147.
      5. GUILLAUME de Ponthieu . "Gulielmus comes Pontivorum" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "Ela his wife and of their sons two of them called Robert and two William and two Enguerrand and Mabel his daughter" by charter dated 1127.
      6. ENGUERRAND de Ponthieu . "Gulielmus comes Pontivorum" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "Ela his wife and of their sons two of them called Robert and two William and two Enguerrand and Mabel his daughter" by charter dated 1127.
      7. ENGUERRAND de Ponthieu . "Gulielmus comes Pontivorum" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "Ela his wife and of their sons two of them called Robert and two William and two Enguerrand and Mabel his daughter" by charter dated 1127.
      8. MABILE de Ponthieu . "Gulielmus comes Pontivorum" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte for the souls of "Ela his wife and of their sons two of them called Robert and two William and two Enguerrand and Mabel his daughter" by charter dated 1127.
      9. JEAN de Ponthieu (-1191). Robert of Torigny records that Henry II King of England granted "castrum Alenceium et Rocam Mabiriæ" to "Willermus Talavacius comes Sagiensis et filius eius Johannes et iterum Johannes nepos eius filius Guidonis priimogeniti sui comitis Pontivi" in 1166. "Wido comes Pontivii" confirmed freedoms over his lands, with the consent of "patris mei Willermi et domine Ele matris mee, fratris mei Johannis et uxoris mee Ide et filii mei Johannis" by undated charterer. He succeeded in 1141 as Comte d'Alençon. Robert of Torigny records the death in 1171 of "Guillermus Talavercius comes Pontivi" and the succession of "Johannes comes filius eius" in the lands which he held from the English king "in Normannia et in Cenomannensi pago".
      10. CLEMENCE de Ponthieu (-30 Nov before 1189). Guillaume de Jumièges records that an unnamed daughter of Guillaume Talvas married "Joel fils de Gauthier de Mayenne". The primary source which confirms her name has not yet been identified. m (before 1120) JUHEL Sire de Mayenne, son of GAUTHIER Seigneur de Mayenne & his wife Aline --- (-23 Dec 1161, bur Evroux).
      11.PHILIPPA de Ponthieu (-before 1149, bur Abbaye de Saint-Martin de Sées). The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified.
      12. ELA de Ponthieu (-10 Oct 1174). Guillaume de Jumièges records that an unnamed daughter of Guillaume Talvas married "Guillaume de Warenne comte de Surrey". The primary source which confirms her name has not yet been identified. Her second marriage is confirmed by Robert of Torigny who refers to the wife of "comes Patricius" as "filia Guillermi comitis Pontivi, matre comitisse de Warenna". m firstly WILLIAM de Warenne Earl of Surrey, son of WILLIAM de Warenne Earl of Surrey & his wife Elisabeth de Vermandois [Capet] ([1119]-killed in battle Laodicea 19 Jan 1148). m secondly (1152 or before) as his second wife, PATRICK Earl of Salisbury, son of WALTER FitzEdward de Salisbury & his wife Maud de Chaources [Chaworth] (-killed in battle Poitou [7 Apr] 1168, bur Poitiers, Abbaye de Saint-Hilaire).”«s87» [1]
    Person ID I11883  Lowell&Block
    Last Modified 6 Jul 2020 

    Father Robert “de Bellême”, de Montgommery,   b. 1052/56,   d. 1118  (Age 62 years) 
    Mother Agnes, de Ponthieu 
    Family ID F4816  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Hélie, de Bourgogne [Capet],   b. Abt 1080,   d. 28 Feb 1141  (Age ~ 61 years) 
    Children 
    +1. Guy II, de Ponthieu,   d. 1147
     2. Guillaume, de Ponthieu,   d. Aft 1166
     3. Robert, de Ponthieu
     4. Robert, de Garennes,   d. Aft 1171
     5. Guillaume, de Ponthieu
     6. Enguerand, de Ponthieu
     7. Enguerrand, de Ponthieu
     8. Mabile, de Ponthieu
     9. Jean, de Ponthieu
     10. Clemence, de Ponthieu
     11. Philippa, de Ponthieu,   d. Bef 1149
    +12. Ela, de Ponthieu,   d. 10 Oct 1174
    Last Modified 6 Jul 2020 
    Family ID F4131  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Sources 
    1. [S87] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy., Foundation for Medieval Genealogy Trustees.